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it and make it pro-growth. >> on the democratic side, senate majority leader harry reid told reporters he would like credit for what congress previously cut. >> we have already done a billion dollars worth of cuts. >> today, the top democrat in the house took a similar approach. >> i think it's important to note we have already agreed to $1.5 trillion in cuts in the budget control act and other acts in this session of congress. so now we wait to see the revenue piece to that. >> asked what she would be willing to slash as part of this deal? >> we'll be talking about that later. >> rank and file house members say they realize more must be done now. >> we can means test entitlements, so for folks making $1 million year, you know, maybe they aren't able to access medicare. they have the means to buy their own healthcare. >> i know we can't afford to spend $690 billion on the defense, but there are smart ways and dumb ways to cut defense spending. for example, we still have bases all throughout western europe that there hasn't been a threat to western europe since 1989. >> beyond that, he did
to in 2011. majority leader harry reid has ruled that out this time and the number two democrat durbin repeated reid's position on sunday. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. not a penny. it's a separate funded operation and we can do things, and i believe we should, now, smaller things, played out over the longer term that gives it solvency. medicare is another story. >> there's still staff level discussions going on. and, by the way, as much as washington gets caught up in the conventional wisdom of what senators are saying, remember right now the senate are 100 ehechted pundits. the game is between the white house and house republicans for now. at some point the action could move to the senate. but right now it's about the house. it's a possibility at some point folks on capitol hill expect the white house to call another meeting of boehner, mcconnell, reid and pelosi along with the president. at some point this week. though nothing is scheduled. the first major appointment that the president makes will probably come in the next week to ten days. just two candidat
reid, the democratic leader, said to the president, mr. president, could you please leave the room? i have covered presidents for four years. i know of no other time where the president was asked the meeting in his own house that he had called. i asked the president about this. i said how did it feel to be voted off the island in your own house. because that is what happened. he said that he was not going to stand on protocol, that the problem needed to be solved. but in the next day, he called democratic leaders to the white house from 6:00 o'clock on a sunday night. and harry reid is there, the house leader, the relations between and among the democrats are so not solved, that harry reid, is a chief of staff, makes a presentation on the deal if reid is trying to work out with the republicans. in the course of doing that, david corn says to the president of the united states, in the oval office is in his house, i am disappointed in this white house and you for not having a fallback plan. literally, again. somebody reading of the president in the oval office for not having a plan. aft
, they have a good opportunity in front of them. >> we heard senator reid said when asked he couldn't name any of the cut the democrats are willing to offer in the fiscal cliff negotiations. he said, "we need to get credit for cuts previously made." this is today. the cut previously made. i'm scratching my head to figure out what cuts the democrats made prior that they want credit for. if they did make credit cuts why did we run up four more years in a row? start fresh right now. talk about cuts and then talk about how are we going to raise revenues. >> eric: what would -- >> dana: what would harry reid mean by that? get credit on cuts they made. on what? >> bob: that is a $60,000 question. i'm not sure what he is talking about. but i know there will be cuts if entitlement program. readjust in the the entitlement program. there will be a tax increase on the wealthier americans of some size. i cannot believe that obama is going to travel around the country to make us think about this. if he doesn't think he will get them to go along with some marginal increase rates. >> dana: good point. let's
is joy ann reid, and ana marie cox, washington correspondent for the guardian. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> good to be here. >> ana marie, let me start with you. do republicans see the writing on the wall in this tax debate? >> i think they do. obviously some of them do. and i have to say, this is like a very weird place to kind of like stake your claim, like this is what you're going to commit political suicide over. there are actually other conservative ideals that i understand the philosophical principles behind and why you might go to the mat on this one. but this was -- as the president said, this was something that was decided by the election. this is not something that people were wishy-washy on. americans don't mind if you raise taxes on the very wealthy. not only do they not mind but they want this. i think it only makes sense for republicans to at least do what tom cole has said, which is to settle for this now and then if you want to have that fight later, if you want to make your debate points later, go ahead and do that. at this point, the memory so fresh with wh
object, or have mitch mcconnell say i object. harry reid says, oh, well, we move on to the next thing and that's the end of it. >> that's the way they do it. they double track it. they say we'll talk about other business now. what do you think is going to be the way the senate decides this? will it be partisan whether they decide to go to a real filibuster, you go to the mattresses, you stay up all night and force quorum calls over and over again? or they give up on change? what do you think is going to be the politics of this? >> the politics right now is mitch mcconnell is absolutely opposing any change in the rules because he has the advantage of paralyzing the senate with no public accountability. the talking filibuster forces his process to be done before the american people, and i think he realizes the american people are not going to like what they see. and yet that's where it should be. if you don't have the courage of your convictions to stand before the american people and say, i am obstructing this bill and here is why, then, in fact, you should shut up, sit down, and let t
's stephen colbert territory. that's harry reid. that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge but the reason why most republican than a handful of democrats take the pledge is the only 10 to raise taxes. we just and the pledge of in the mail and people make that commitment and campaign on it and make it part of -- >> if you're running in a republican primary, it's very helpful to you, effectively difficult to run in a republican primary without signing it. they are in a box. the republicans, county and look for a way out of? >> no. which general have is a little so here's complicated bill. it's got a lot of moving parts. does it raise taxes? look, it's pretty clear in those cases. the important part of the pledge is it allows people to credibly commit they're not going to raise taxes and the people know who and what they are. is allowed john boehner and mitch mcconnell to govern recently. it's about the republican governors passed out ushers at the red states for the 24 states republican governors, republican legislature. blue are the 13 of 40 state spending on how
to raise the debt ceiling. first, senate majority leader harry reid and republican majority leader mitch mcconnell will talk on the senate floor about the january fiscal deadline. >> since our country voted to return president obama to the white house, i have spoken often about compromise. i remain optimistic that, when it comes to our economy, when it comes to protecting middle-class families from a whopping tax hike, republicans and democrats will be able to find common ground. president dwight eisenhower, a republican, once said, "people talk about the middle of the road as though it were unacceptable. there have to be compromises. the middle of the road is all usable space." so said white house and higher. -- dwight eisenhower. too often, we face off, not realizing that the solution rests somewhere in the middle. i remind everyone of one fact. this congress is one vote away from avoiding a fiscal cliff for middle-class families and small businesses. we can solve the greatest economic emergency facing the nation today if only the house would consent the senate-passed bill freezing --
reid on the floor of the senate only moments ago. listen to him. >> unfortunately there is one obstacle standing between you and congress to compromise, grover norquist. for years he has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this antitax zealot. his brand of ideological extremism has been bad for congress and even worse for the country. i was pleased to see republicans in congress distance themselves from norquist this week. i appreciate that very much. bill: here now to react. grover norquist, americans for tax reform. good morning to you. >> sure. bill: harry reid, what do you think about that? >> well, only senator harry reid of nevada could pack that many lies into something quite that short. look, the taxpayer protection pledge as harry reid well knows is a commitment by senators and congressmen to their constituents, not to me personally, reid tells that lie over and over again, a commitment to their constituents that when they come to washington they will reform government and spend less money, rather than
't be just being against the democrats. and against harry reid and against obama. you have to be for things, and we have to give them something like the contract with america, that we gave them some years ago. we have to give them something to be for. and as far as young women are concerned, absolutely. i don't think anybody like me, i can state my position on abortion, but, to -- other than that, leave the issue alone. when we are in the kind of economic situation and, frankly, national security situation we're in. >> chris: when you say leave the issue alone, you would allow, you say, freedom of choice? >> i would allow people to have those popinions and rec those opinions and i'm proud of my pro-life position and record and if someone disagrees with me, i respect your views. >> chris: senator mccain, thank you as always for coming in today, you will have a busy final weeks here in 2012. >> we certainly will. thank you, sir. >> chris: thank you. up next 'tis the season to shop and spend, but the upcoming fiscal clip put a damper on consumers and investors? ♪ we're sitting on a bunch of
change that changed is harry reid says he wants to do something about the filibuster. isn't what i want to do. it feels to me like a tectonic shift saying we need to change this, it has gone too far. >> it really is. harry reid has long defended the perogatives of the senate and of the filibuster even in the face of criticism from his own members, but virtually all of his members now want to do something and he has been infuriated by the way in which mitch mcconnell has carried out, but if you think about t it is a very odd time to do this. the house is under the control. >> you don't get that much. >> of the republicans, so it is not as if the filibuster is the only thing standing in the way >> of the republicans, so it is not as if the filibuster is the only thing standing in the way of democratic program and as norm said, at the beginning of this new congress president obama has a better shot at working with the senate including 6, 8, 10, republicans in using that to put pressure on the house so is this the right time to blow up the senate? >> norm, real quick, do you think we need 6
president obama spoke with the house speaker boehner and the senate majority leader harry reid over the weekend. still, concerns of the crisis and the european debt crisis sent stocks down but not precipitously but down. we are seeing signs of progress in washington, dc, with rare bipartisan consensus on raising taxes on the wealthy but they remain at odds over the specifics. in other words, exactly highway do you do it. and mike emanuel is live on capitol hill. the white house is expressing putting pressure on congress. >>reporter: a report on the impact if the bush tax cuts are not extended. the study says the typical middle class family will see taxes go up by $2,200 next year affecting businesses and retailers. the argument is the families will spend less and it will hurt the economy. >> you can see it across housing, and services, and things like paying for cell phone, groceries, durable goods, auto purchases. evidence like this is a reason why retailers are so concerned that congress has not yet extended the middle-class tax cuts. >>reporter: and carney noted the president spo
is sticking by her for now. she's not yet been nominated. harry reid said they believe the committees in charge chaired by john kerry should be in charge of this and not members from other committees like homeland security and intelligence and armed services who are getting involved in this. but as you pointed out, none of the republican senators asking questions chair anything. it's becoming very personal and very puzzling indeed. >> one last sort of puzzling hmt of this to me. i just want your perspective because you have reported on these issues for so long. it seems remarkable to me to have the acting director of the cia personally accompanying susan rice to that meeting today. this is not formal testimony. there was no committee of lindsey graham and john mccain. they don't run anything there. is it unusual to have the leader of the cia personally involved like this? >> it was remarkable to me. i described her on "nightly news" as her wing man. he was there to take the blame. and it did seem for an acting director of the cia to be put in that position rather extraordinary. he him
the fiscal cliff to prove his mandate? maybe. joining me now are joy reid, managing editor of the grio and robert reich, former labor secretary and professor at the university of california berkeley. joy, are you feeling sorry for grover norquist yet? >> immensely. he's such a lonelily l man. the senate is gone. enough republican senators have signal they're going to play ball. this is about the house of representatives and really for john boehner, everything changes in a good way for him. if we go off the curb or the cliff on january 1st, he won't be dealing with that tea party caucus and that's the bee in his bonnet that doesn't want to make a deal and by the way, a lot of them are are out the door. so greg's reporting is interesting because it signals that the white house has a public posture in which they say no, we dare not go off the cliff but we're going to get those tax rates increased and the reporting i've done tonight is that there's going to be additional meetings. this was the private version of the public meetings they did last week. now, they've been doing them in privat
bizarre that the leader of the democrats in the senate, harry reid, attacks me personally. the american people don't want their taxes raised. they have kind of signaled that in the most recent senate election where harry reid's guy lost and the anti-tax candidate won in nevada. so the tax issue is a powerful issue. i understand it comes with the territory, that people attack me personally. it doesn't bother me. i'm very comfortable in my own skin. if they want to waste their time personally attacking me, they're free to do so. but taxes are too high. spending is too high. this needs to be changed and i think the american people will make it clear as time unfolds that raising taxes is not where they want to go. >> grover norquist, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. >>> let's get another point of view right now. joining us, dick durbin, assistant majority leader, the senator from illinois. senator, thanks very much for coming in. we just heard from grover norquist, several republicans on capitol hill this week have said they would consider defying his pledge but for some of
of the year. >> the president and leader reid said social security should be off the table. what's your reaction to that? >> all of the entitlements need to be discussed, because they on an unsustainable path. medicare is in more immediate danger. we want to save these programs and i understand the dilemma that the president and thethey don't want to change anything. well, times change. and until we make sure these popular entitlement programs fit the demographics of the changingit's simple math. what we have lacked so far is the political courage to do what needs to be done. look, i'm not happy about divided government. i would rather have a republican president, republican senate and republic house. good things about divided government, it's the best time to do really hard stuff and i'll give you four good examples. did the comprehensive tax reform. clinton, welfare reform and balanced the budget for multiple years in the late 1990's. this is the perfect time to solve single biggest problem confronting our country and we are anxious to sit down and get the job done. \[inaudible questi
harry reid and mitch mcconnell sent stocks to session lows. this morning we look to open to the downside. implied open down 25. s&p looking to lose five. beige book home sales ahead. as for picture in europe, a bailout for four spanish banks getting approval from the eu. still stocks are down. italy down by almost one full percentage point. road map for the morning starts off with the fiscal cliff. the president meeting with more ceos today bringing his plan straight to the people culminating in an appearance in a factory later this week. >> costco joins the dividend parting initiating a $7 a share payout on top of the regular dividend. >> and a shake-up at groupon. the board may be considering co-founder being released. >> there's powerball fever. 500 million big ones in the pot. how would you spend the money and how does the fiscal cliff factor in? we'll talk strategy with a former lottery winner. >> we begin with the fiscal cliff. this afternoon president obama is scheduled to meet with several business leaders including ceos of home depot, macy's, caterpillar and at&t but futures are
time now. >> hb 800 companies and groups sent a letter to senators harry reid, mitch mcconnell and others to say that they want repeal of the medical device tax as part of the fiscal cliff deal, this is a tax not on profits, on sales, on revenue. even if you post losses you still have to pay the tax. here's what the letter writers are warning about. if it passes, it will adversely impact patient care can increase cost of health care and adversely impact jobs. it's a 43,000 jobs could be lumped medical device makers. pacemakers, stopping brain aneurysms including prosthetics for soldiers returning from overseas and the issue is why you're hitting us with an excise tax on sales? they did a study which found when you do the math it is actually 80% in federal, state and local including the excise tax. lori: why would they go throughr the medical device makers? the tanning bed tax, the kind of understand. >> here is the rationale. the house want repeal it, but has stalled in the senate. the logic is they have to have health insurance, required to have health insurance, the lo
. it started with harry reid appointing me to the simpson- bowles commission -- 18 members. i thought this was another commission who'd work product would be lost in history and on a dusty shelf or buried in some hard drive. it turned out to be a historic effort and a game changer -- mainly through the good work of erskine bowles and ellen simpson with hard work that was put into this by 18 members, evenly divided among house and senate democrats and republicans and six public members. 11 of us voted for the final work product. i was invited to join the gang of six to continue the conversation on simpson-bowles. it expanded to the gang of eight. the conversation has been going on for two years. that is a lot of popcorn in mark warner's office. it was a great education and effort to sit across the table from conservative senators and talk through not just the reality of the deficit but the political reality of the deficit, which we have to be more sensitive to if we are looking for an honest solution. some of my friends on the left came to visit. i recall one -- the labor leader who sa
. he spoke with speaker boehner and harry reid over the weekend and yet no meeting date is set. what kind of outreach is going on behind the scenes? are you aware, ken, of any other relationships that are being developed at this moment to try to fend off the fiscal cliff? >> yeah. mostly what we're hearing about is that the staff level there are ongoing negotiations between the white house, between harry reid and the senate majority leader's office and john boehner's office, the house republicans. but so far what we've seen, at least in the principal, is really just highlighting the differences and how stark the differences are. yes, there have been some republicans who have publicly said they are open to poe tengts tax increases, revenue increases, but even more so we're seeing this entrenchment over the military spending cuts, the unwilling nness to see that and we're seeing on the democratic side the idea that maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we went over the fiscal cliff and kicked the can down the road to the next congress which will be more favorable from the liberal perspective
don't think there's a reason to think it's going to go gang busters. >> we saw harry reid speak yesterday. the market moves when we see different comments out of washington. we saw it again today on this perception that was actually positive commentary. our bar has gotten pretty low. we see stocks move around a lot. what about interest rates? are they responding as much? >> well, perfect question. look at the chart. here's a chart of today's treasury action against the equity market. indeed, other than around 1:00 eastern after the auction, they've been correlating. stocks go up, rates go up. stocks go down, rates go down. we're trading on pr. if the premise of this exchange is should we trade on headlines, if you're a day trader who understands once you make a trade and the air is gone out of the person you trade it with, that's the only realism that is there. pr doesn't move markets more than the short term. most of the people i talk to on the automated side say these are rhythmic traders with algorithms. >> do you have a theory on why gold is down today? >> my theory is simpl
senator majority leader reid said there was little progress being made on the fiscal cliff. that was yesterday afternoon. we lost 50 points on the dow. even though mr. reid said he was hopeful a deal could be reached, damage was done. senator mccobble said democrats should be more actively involved in the debates. he said the president was traveling around the country having complain like stops, he should come back to the capitol and make a deal. today representativeboehner saying he was optimistic a cliff deal could be rachd. the market rallied nicely on that after disappointing new home sales results. just in the last hour, we've rallied because the president has come out and said he would like to have a deal on the fis calf cliff by christmas. that's exactly what the markets want to hear. they want a timetable for when a deal can be reached and they want it before the end of the year. we move up to the highs of the day on that news. >> a deal by christmas with a bow on it perhaps, bob. >>> dozens of ceos as we mentioned earlier meeting with congressional leaders right no
programs. it is something that was taken out of my paycheck. >> bill: thank you. >> caller: harry reid said they didn't contribute to the debt problem. these big tax breaks contributed to the debt problem, the two false wars created the deficit. we need to lock arms and walk up to the cliff and see what it is all about. >> bill: arnold you got it. alan in new bedford mass. >> caller: good morning, bill. i think there are two separate issues. the bush tax cuts were to expire in 2010. they were only extended was because of [ inaudible ]. period. >> bill: yeah, that was all over the debt ceiling negotiations. the president went along with it, but it's time to end them now. they are still making the argument that that is a job creator. no, it's not. no, it's not. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ >> announcer: chatting with you live at current.com/bill press. this is the "bill press show," live on your radio and current tv. >> bill: how about it coming to you live indeed. coming you live on cirrus xm this hour only and on current tv. republicans talking out b
, the president called both senator reid and speaker boehner to get things going. there is a talk of a immediating at the white house later this week. >> ed henry live on the north lawn. thank you. stocks were mixed. the dow lost 42. nasdaq gained ten. they are still trying to find a deal for bail-out money for greece. they failed to reach an agreement twice in two weeks. mary schapiro is leaving next month. she will be replaced by the sikh commission member elite walter. you may want to let go of your mouse and pay attention the next story. you and your fellow americans are expected to spend well in the ten figure range today. during the online shopping blitz known as cyber monday. that is a lot of cash. that is not taxed at the in-person rate. james rosen. >> the cyber monday rush to p.c., iphone android poses little threat to the black friday stampede to brick and mortar stores but the numbers are starting to turn. >> we now have one in ten discretionary dollars spent online. >> physical retailer saw foot traffic decline by 2%. with 100 million people expected to make $1 million in online purch
asked harry reid of years ago, you're back in power and that the president, why are you pushing it customer he said, "steve, i wish we had time." both parties have let it sit. as a journalist, i want to remind people there has been institutional neglect on both sides, which accredits the senator for now moving, but it has been interesting how people did not see this before and earlier periods. >> i think that is fair. the reality is in the last session, we were literally one vote short from moving forward. i should say the senate was barred the department of defense afforded. despite its importance, i would put it behind us, taking steps to get our economic house in order. it is fundamental to long-term security and fundamental to our core -- global leadership role. it is really the foundation of our long-term power influence as a nation. with respect to human rights, one of the principles that we need to understand and follow is that human rights do matter. >> i want to take that two issues promptly. first thing is energy. east china sea, when president hu jintao made a visit t
leader of the united states senate, the honorable harry reid. >> today the people of burma and the united states honor aung san suu kyi. her personal sacrifice and her dedication to spreading freedom and justice not only in burma but in the world. even when it meant separation from her family, when it meant being a part from her husband at the hour of his death, aung san suu kyi has remained true to her cause. today i also recognize my colleague, republican leader mitch mcconnell. i have stood next to him on the senate floor now for a long time, and there is no cause for which he has been more pronounced in doing something about than aung san suu kyi and burma. i extend my congratulations, my admiration and i applaud him for his good work. he has been a long standing advocate in the united states to focus on burma and what is wrong there with the ruling junta. he co-sponsored the economic sanctions bill that helped push the regime toward freedom. sometimes people think it is hard for the two parties of congress to find common ground. lots of times it is. but i am pleased that where the bu
reid for never passing a budget in three years. >> we have had a situation where the president has had to do this on his own and you know and i know it. >>neil: he had a democratic house of representatives and a democratic senate and the world was his oyster. >> if he had a little help from the republicans, so many americans could be working. >>neil: are you kidding me? i know the republicans are evil, but, come on, in your opinion, did he do anything wrong? >> not the substance. >> the president has failed to put a solution on the table to avoid the defense cuts. >> but you signed on to the sequestration that means the defense cuts will come up. >> not everyone. we thought it was a stupid deal. >> congressman, you had a plan. sequestration. and now you don't like that. i can understand it. >> that is why i voted against it. >> i voted against it. >> now both parties are saying they voted against it. >> there is a comprehensive way to do it and a fair and balanced way. i like to use that term. >> we should look at the programs but what i gave you specifically was not nothing --. >>neil
, let's don't forget the last time that the senate had a budget, it was when harry reid worked with his friend, speaker pelosi and nobody in the 2008 budget complained that it wasn't spending enough money. let's go back to 2008. $2.5 trillion, and cuts off a trillion in spending, right there. >> lou: there are all sorts of ways to get there, as you suggest here tonight, and, as suggested in other forums as well, but the idea that this president an boehner are coming together to have at least a civil discourse over what in the world we're going to do about the fiscal cliff, six weeks remain, are you any more hopeful as a result of the tone they've taken on the first day of discussion? >> well, i wasn't hopeful with the president's tone, when he said -- >> are you being partisan here? >> i'm not being partisan, i am being objective, when i say that the president proposed $1.6 trillion in new revenue? he wants to destroy the economy? come on. who in their right mind will allow that kind of increase to devastate the economy. it will not be hostess going out of business. >> lou: that is a go
in congress to accept tax increases on the wealthy. joy reid is managing editor of thegrio.com. she's at least as smart as i am, which is not an accolade, it's a fact, and she's much younger. okay. we found out this weekend, and you know this better than i, i enjoy your report on this, the obama campaign wasn't some kumbaya number. it was an incredibly organized machine. it was real, it was people meeting people, getting points for how many contacts you made with voters. they knew a certain number of contacts led to a probability of people voting. incredibly hands-on, real people with other people. can you turn that machine into something that can get the right kind of deal? >> i think the president spent a year and a half developing a gigantic infrastructure that really came out on election day. and he did that -- >> human. >> through these kinds of direct contacts, but he also had an argument in the campaign that brought those people out. and central to that argument was that we need an economy that works for everyone, that people need to pay their fair share. >> so the key element of that,
're not going to stop the front four of anybody else. >> problematic. hey, with any luck, andy reid will be coaching the packers next year. >> or rex ryan. >> hey, we'll give you rex. you want rex ryan? >> we're happy with our coach. i would not want to be andy reid. >> no. >> he's going to san diego, barnicle tells me. >> he'd be on san diego next year. >> let's talk about what's in politico. you want to do that? >> love to. >> okay. so fiscal cliff is all the talk of washington, obviously. but you guys are writing this morning, your headline about the other fiscal fight, which is, again, the debt ceiling. >> yeah, i think people forget we have essentially three blink moments, sequestration, the debate, and we hit the debt limit probably some time in february. and you have to raise the debt limit unless you take the posture that some folks in the democratic party are recommending and saying just raise it unilaterally, have the president do that. i don't think that's what they want to do right now. in the past, congress has had to raise that debt limit. and as you know, house republ
in washington. the white house says the president did speak with speaker boehner and senator reid over the weekend to touch base on this very issue. as one republican aide put it to cnn, the fact that they are still talking is progress. but a democratic aide said they don't have staff had you hadling in a room going over spreadsheets which is where they need to get to hammer out a deal. what they're doing now is they're at the dancing stage of this negotiation. >> a lot of folks are saying it's not the republicans in the senate so much will be the problem for the obama administration, but republicans in the house of representatives, especially those from the tea party movement and others will be a serious problem. >> what was an important group of republicans during the debt ceiling debate while this election has changed the arithmet arithmet arithmetic, republicans in the house will be key to this negotiation. the two men that need to hammer out this deal, just like it was over the summer, is still president obama and spooeseaker boehner. >> i don't think there's any doubt the preside
leader harry reid said let's not mess with social security, signals from the white house indicating they're not going to touchdown social security, maybe medicare, medicaid, but not social security and republicans will say, wait a minute, you're not serious. we're giving ground on revenue, you got to give ground on spending. and, brooke, i think the biggest thing here is that this bill, if they get a bill, is going to be so unpopular because it is going to raise taxes and it is going to cut benefits and getting the votes to pass this is going to be enormously difficult. >> you bring up the benefits issue. let me run through this, because it brings us back to the possibility of no deal whatsoever. again, on the automatic tax increases come january 1. we're talking about a lot of stuff here. the bush era tax cuts expire. as does the president's so-called payroll tax holiday on social security deductions, follow along with me, the so-called marriage penalty returns full force, you also have extended unemployment set to expire here. and the child tax credit drops by half. capital gains go up
by the senate majority leader harry reid who said the three republicans politicize sizing this issue and called their behavior outrage just, jenna. jenna: well have more as the story volz throughout the day. catherine, thank you. >> reporter: you're welcome. jon: another story gripping washington, the size of our national debt. one lawmaker says the real problem is the fiscal avalanche that looms if the government fails to deal with our massive national debt. it is now over $16 trillion and counting. utah republican senator mike lee wrote that the in an, wrote that in a recent opinion piece. he is a member of the joint economic committee. you're from utah. a lot of mountains there. i'm sure you know what an avalanche looks like and the problem with them is as you point out you don't know when they're going to come. >> that's right, jon. unlike the give which you can see coming the avalanche is there in the sense that the conditions are present but you don't know exactly when it is going to hit you. by the time it hits you it is too late to get out of the way. that's why we have to start moving
reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, nancy pelosi will be serious. going over the cliff doesn't make any sense. >> we all remember the t.a.r.p. vote that you reference. that really didn't come to a resolution until the markets -- i would argue -- scared washington. i wonder how important you think that is this time? do stocks need to fall before the two sides really get committed at the table? >> that is a terrific question. that's the main question. in two days we lost 1,600 points in the markets. it took us a lot longer time to come back and recover. i sat there and stared defeat in the face. we can't do it now. the markets will respond to certainty. that's what congress needs to give american business and american people. certainty about taxes. certainty about spending in congress and certainty about our commitment to lower the debt. >> how do you argue that you are considering all elements of reform if in fact you're going to stick by the norquist pledge. is there anything wrong with as senator graham has said with saying i made that pledge back then but my job is to be a senator
to. that is colbert territory, harry reid. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and handful of democrats take the pledge is they don't intend to raise taxes. we send the pledge out in the mail and people make that commitment and make it part of their campaign. >> if you are running in a republican primary, it would be difficult to run in a republican primary without sin signing it. does someone come to you and look for a way out? >> what you generally have is, you have a complicated bill which has a lot of moving parts, does it raise taxes? it's pretty clear in most cases. the important part of the pledge is it allows people to credibly commit they aren't going to raise taxes and people know who and what they are. boehner and mcconnell have governed easily. they aren't going to raise taxes and allowed the republican governors or the 24 states with a republican governor and republican legislature, depending on how you count new york, 13, 14 states have a democratic governor and house and senate and there you see the red states are not raising taxe
welfare at the expense of none other than the middle class. for more, we go to joy reid, managing either of grio.com and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. >> nice to be here. >> earlier we asked you to come up with a figure, because you know i have -- like a dog with a bone on this. we asked you to come up with a figure how much corporate welfare per year is dolled out. what did you find out? >> from the tax policy center, nonpartisan, highly reliable group, $150 billion in tax expenditures that favor corporations in 2012. so, there's your number. >> now, if i'm not mistaken, the amount we actually spend on entitlements that we actually are entitled to because we pay into a system is about half of that? in terms of who's getting the better deal, corporate welfare seems like the better deal and if we're looking for cuts, maybe that's where we should start? >> i think the point is that in both of these cases it's absolutely nonsense, and i know you share this view, to write off all of the social programs as, you know, welfare that just layabouts are -- that 47%, clear nonsense. at the
of taxes. and also stuck on the issue of entitlements. we had harry reid come out and basically say he wasn't open to reforming especially social security. so there's a big question mark about how they're going to move forward. remember, these are sort of their opening bids. presumably there is room for some sort of movement on either side. in terms of getting a deal done by the first of the year, i think there's a lot of pressure on both sides to try to get something done here. you remember the debt ceiling debate. after that sort of knockdown dragout fight, congress had its lowest approval ratings in history. they know they need to get something done. remember, if they don't get something done before the first of the year, it could have serious consequences on the economy. >> i want to ask you both to weigh in on this question. kristen, you do the political angle and neil you give me the nuts and bolts. yesterday john boehner wrote an op-ed calling for the health care law to be part of the negotiations, he wrote in part the president's health care law at the massive, expensive, unworkable
a president. the democrats have harry reid. we have mitch mcconnell. get them in the room. and that's what representative governments should be about. no one gets all they want. if reagan and o'neal can do it, r boehner and obama should be able to do this. >> the last attempt at a grand bargain, it was the politics and brinksmanship and it all went nowhere until a final deal that brought us to this breaking point. do you think that the tax issue has to be solved first before you can get to any defending issues, any of the entitlement issues? >> i think it all has to be on the table. again, i don't want to be said what has to be done first or second. that's for them in the room. but the election is over. president obama won. he won fair and square. we won the house. we won it fair and square. democrats still control the senate. slight edge to the democrats. bottom line, it's over with. let's find a way to get this resolved as much as possible between now and the end of the year. so both the new congress and the president in his second term can start over with a clean slate. we have so many
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